Wheel Bearing Seal

BigSkyBigSky Posts: 976Senior Contributor
I’m re-packing the front wheel bearings on the 54 Hornet & need to find a good part number for front inner wheel bearing “seal”.  The one I had wasn’t correct & the one on the car didn’t cross to anything at Napa.  I checked Ken’s site & am still striking out.  Thanks!

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  • BigSkyBigSky Posts: 976Senior Contributor
    Well I’m going to also need new bearings & races too!


  • cchancelcchancel Posts: 184Member
    edited August 19
    I have the following on my 1951 Super 6 and acquired them from NAPA.  These parts should work on your 1954 Hornet seeing as the front brake drums are the same.

    Front inner wheel grease seal:      SKF 15649
    Front inner wheel bearing:           Timken 15123
    Front inner wheel race:                Timken 15245
    Front outer wheel bearing:           Timken 9067
    Front outer wheel race:                Timken 9195



  • GlowplugGlowplug Posts: 2,231Expert Adviser
    Big Sky if you get the parts cchannel to work
    on your 54 let us know... I will post this to my website as universal for the Stepdowns 
  • BigSkyBigSky Posts: 976Senior Contributor
    edited August 19
    Thanks for the numbers cchancel, the bearings numbers you posted match what I pulled out, & the races numbers are what I’m finding that should work as well.  If I don’t post otherwise, assume they are the correct numbers.  

    The wheel seal I pulled out is a CR15960, which is very close to the one cchancel gave us.  Both have an OD of 2.502” but the 15960 has a width of 0.313” & a 1.594” shaft size; the SKF15649 has a width of 0.25” & a 1.563” shaft size.  I suppose either could be used but since I have 2 of the SKF 15649 seals on the shelf I think I will use those as they may help give a better seal against the spindle.  I measured both of my spindles where the seal rides at 1.565”.   

    Below is a picture of my scorched bearings & both sides looked this way.  I’m guessing it’s from not having adequate grease in the bearings based upon how little grease there was at disassembly.  Based on the condition of the races & bearings I have to wonder if the previous owner put new bearings in & left the pitted & rusted races in place.  Either way, it will be done right this time with all new bearings, races & seals. 



    Here’s a close up pic of one race & you can really see how pitted the surface is:



  • bob wardbob ward Posts: 1,301Senior Contributor
    There are a few different thicknesses of front hub seal available in the step-down ID/OD sizes. The only one that is going to work properly is the 1/4" thick seal.
  • 35 Terraplane35 Terraplane Posts: 363Senior Contributor
    TO add to Bob's note above.  Not that my 35 has the same geometry as your 54 but I found the same thing with modern seals.  Found two with the correct ID/OD but one was 0.25 thk and the other was 0.313 thk.  Took some of my grandkids playdoh and pressed it into the annular space behind the seal about 180 DEG around.  With the old seal removed I put the brake drum back on and snugged the castle nut.  Upon removing the drum I measured the thickness of the playdoh to check the clearance between the drum hub and the backing plate behind the seal.  The attached sketch shows the dimension stackup.  The original seals where 0.250.  From what I could see if the 0.313 were used the inner lip may not run on the shoulder OR rub against the inner bearing race.
  • barrysweet52barrysweet52 Posts: 620Expert Adviser
    Just did the front wheel seals on my 37T. Dont knock them in flush. Look at the wear marks on old ones.
     
  • 35 Terraplane35 Terraplane Posts: 363Senior Contributor
    Yes, I should have added that.  I test fit the seal on the spindle to figure where it should be to run on the shoulder and not rub the inner race.   I turned up a tool and shim just so the seal was 0.056 (the thickness of the shim) proud of the drum hub.  Worked well.


  • BigSkyBigSky Posts: 976Senior Contributor
    On my 54 Hornet, it was running the CR15960 seals which have the thickness of 0.313”.  On the passenger side the seal had a cut in it which allowed grease to leak out over time.  Ironically it gave me a “play-doh” type of thickness gauge of grease ‘n grime on the backside of the seal against the backing plate.  While I didn’t measure the thickness of the grime, it does show (in the picture below) that the thicker seal (0.313”) doesn’t hit anything when installed. 

    The outside metal edge of the seal seats in the hub which limits how far it can be pushed in towards the bearing.  So as long as the rubber lip is pointed towards the bearings it will keep the grease from leaking out.  It looks like the seal was riding on the shoulder, the edge marked in red in the picture below.  Again this is on my 54 Hornet.


  • BigSkyBigSky Posts: 976Senior Contributor
    I took another look at the two seals to measure how far back the rubber lip that rides on the spindle shoulder is  from the metal edge that seats in the hub. 

    What I found was the old seal from my 54 Hornet CR-15960 has a recessed rubber lip of approximately 0.133” and the SKF 15649 has a recessed rubber lip of 0.086”.  Looks like the old seal (15960) may seat farther back on the spindle shoulder than the (15649). 



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