modern fuels
http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2013/11/impact-of-todays-fuels-n-carbureted-engines/
Thanks to the Cadillac/LaSalle Club Forum
Thanks to the Cadillac/LaSalle Club Forum
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corny fuel, corny fuel. This is what I have learned in the last couple of years. Use nothing but Premium fuel. There are only two, probably a few more now, but STP Carbuerator and valve additive. And Stab-il.
that help the fuel from attacking the carbuerator. I also use a bottle of lead additive that you can get from Autozone per tank. A guy at an auto show told me he also uses a pinch of oil in the tank that you use for your weedeater or chainsaw. There are new overhaul kits now that are corn resistant, which I now have in my carb on my 308. However I must point out that I have Electronic Ignition instead of points, and an Alternator instead of a Gen. And I swear by Optima Batteries. I know everyone has different ideas, but this is what works for me. This was a very good article on the fuel nowadays that we have to deal with, and I really enjoyed it as it was spot on. It's something that we all have to deal with in this day and age. I just hope our engines survive, this (whatever you want to call it)...........0 -
I have run 2 cycle oil in premium gas for some time. I run a mix of 2.6oz per 5 gal. of gas. Why this mix? It is convenient. The small containers are 2.6 oz. I have run this in all of my old tractors. They are working tractors. I also run it in the Hudsons. I have had to replace the fuel pump and the accelerator pump in the carb. because I got lazy and not adding oil regularly in the 308. In the tractors we have to run premium fuel because the lower grades reduces the power output. We are also having to increase jet size by about 20% to maintain a good power lever. Gas is just not what it was a few years ago. L Hud0
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http://green.autoblog.com/2013/06/05/florida-repeals-law-requiring-10-ethanol-blend-in-gasoline/
Some very thoughtful comments in the comment section.0 -
Would gas additives help or hurt the problem with the Ethanol fuel ?0
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Well stated, Doc!0
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Just an experience to pass on. I was on a national tour with another brand of automobile and there were around 50 of us on this trip through Wyoming. We all stopped at Little America for fuel (people and car) and then headed on. About fifteen miles later one 30"s era car stopped, then another, and you know the story. Thirty of the cars were dead on the side of the road--ethanol had eaten the fuel pump innards. Took some doings, and with Little Americas help by the next day all of the pumps had been replaced and we were all on the road again. Cost Little America dinner, room and new pumps for everyone.1
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May not be for everyone but I simply run fuel injection on all of my classics.
It makes them start and drive like that modern car setting in your driveway.
I don't have all the mechanical worries either since the carb is gone and the ignition is upgraded.
But it's not as cheap as a carb rebuild and a new ignition, but I don't have raw fuel washing the lube from the cyls either.
If things work out I may be able to attend the Nationals next year to give a little seminar.
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I can't get into the "technicals" nor the politics of the matter, but I'll simply say that I've been using the 10% ethanol in my '37 Terraplane for as long as ethanol has been around (here in Virginia) with no apparent negative results. This includes several thousands of miles of driving (1300 miles this July just to the National and back).
I have a fuel pump that was rebuilt by Dave Kostansek possibly 20 or more years ago, and a carburetor (actually for a 1946 Hudson) rebuilt by Daytona Auto Parts maybe 5-6 years ago. And there are some short lengths of neoprene tubing at either end of the in-line fuel filter just before the fuel pump. Nothing appears to have broken down. At least yet. I'm assuming that Daytona used modern (ethanol resistant) seals in my carb, and I believe Dave was using internal parts taken from "modern" (ethanol resistant) fuel pumps, in my pump.
I do add Marvel Mystery Oil to my gas tank (in hopes of better valve lubrication) -- at least when I think of it -- about 4 oz. per tankful. Maybe this helps.
A 15 percent ethanol blend may produce a less-sunny outcome, perhaps. I'll try to avoid using that. Anyway, I add this information for the benefit of any pre-war Hudson owners who fear (after reading the varying viewpoints above) that they're on the verge of catastrophe. It ain't necessarily so.
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I don't know if 15% ethanol is much of an issue. EPA says it can't be used in pre 2006 vehicles. That means stations who wish to sell it must provide the usual 10% and also Premium as well. Retailers went ballistic. They would need to add an extra pump and the cost is prohibitive. Besides, ethanol is losing its charm little by little. Its inefficiency (3-4%) and cost to ship( can not send ethanol through pipelines) is being questioned vs. the reduction in greenhouse gases saved. Probably by 2016 the US will be able to actually export oil and by products... first time since 1960s.0
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Agreed, Doc0
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I have been running ethanol in my '35 Terraplane for 15 years, thousands of miles absolutely no issues. I have also been running it in my '51 MG TD..thousands of miles in the last decade..also no issues...same with the snow blower and lawn mower. Regards, tom0
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TYPICAL DEBAT THAT POPS UP OFF AND ON...
I BELONG TO THE MUCH TODO ABOUT NOTHING GROUP
BEEN RUNNING MODERN FUELS AS LONG AS THEY HAVE BEEN PRESENT AND HAVEN'T NOTICED ANY DIFFICULTY AT ALL.
SIMILAR DEBATE OCCURS OFF AND ON REGARDING MODERN OIL....
OH WELL GIVES A BUNCHA OLD COOTS SOMETHING TO SOUND OFF ABOUT..LOL
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Get most of my gas at Valero, but also Hess etc.
No additives at all, in 36 Terrorplane, 47 Pickup, 49 Commadore, 41 JDLA, 57 JD Crawler, 57 Wheel Horse, Chainsaw, Weed whacker etc. No problems anywhere, but I do have modern rubber in the Hudson fuel pumps
Maybe it's just Northern NY.0 -
Maybe California is a little different. Within the last 12 months I had to have the lawnmower carburetor rebuilt twice, once only 3 mo. after first rebuild. Also, my 64 El Camino carb needs rebuilding after setting a year. It runs terrible. Back to using Sta Bil in anything I think will be setting more than a few weeks. My Hornet with a full tank of gas and Sta Bil sat for 6 mo while being worked on. Last week it started right up and runs good. Dog gone it. Another issue came up and it will miss the All California Meet this year. But we won't. Have a great day and I hope to see some of you at San Simeon All Callif. Meet. I'm looking forward to getting away from 100+ degree weather and enjoying low 70s and the cool evenings (58s) by the camp fire roasting marsh mellows, hot dogs and tall tales.
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Is the Calfornia gas of a different blend? Do you have 15% Ethanol now? I'm curious to know what's different out there.
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Just a thought, when I was a kid, (50/60's) regular gas was 105 octane (Beeline Gas sold in Utah) and had among other things Tetra Ethel Led. The high grade was 112 octane with the TEL. A bit of corn did not make any difference and the viscosity of the gas made it much thicker and it did not evaporate as fast as it does today.
However, today, not only is the octane down but the TEL and other stuff is gone. They put some kind of crap in the gas to make it go bad faster and with the corn it is good for about a week in your car. I am excited that there are a ton of folks out there telling us that it makes no difference and most likely they are not telling us of the stuff they are adding to their tanks like Stay-bull, Marvel oil, Led Additive and all the other little tricks to make this new class of gas act like old gas. Well folks, add all you want and you will still not have the gas of the past. Go out and buy some 110 Av Gas and put some led additive and stay-bull in your tank and then tell me you cannot tell any difference.....
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BROWNIE:
I never used "ANY" additives in the 10 years I ran the NEW gas in my wasp and I never experienced any problems.. Maybe our gas in Seattle is better than yours..lol
I sure would like to know how you managed to find 30 pumps for the disabled cars all in one day and all nearby..I'm amazed that all the cars stopped running at almost exactly the same time also.
Did you drain all the fuel tanks and replace the gas before you continued your journey?0 -
I don't think its the corn as much as the junk they add to stretch the fuel to get more of our moneyfor less gas0
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I've never used any additives during the driving season. Sta-bil for the 6 month layup over winter...same as I do off season for my snowblower and lawn mower. 21/2 gallon jug lasts me a year and I never add anything to it. The sta-bil only goes in the tank of the equipment for the layup. No other additives needed..snowblower is 30 years old this year and the lawn mower is only 3...but the others worn out..never a carb issue.
On the car side I have had the Terraplane for 14 years and an mg TD for ten. Regards, tom0
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